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    Spanking: the English Vice?

    Many on the continent refer to spanking and flagellation as 'the english vice'. There are of course early literary references such as those in 'Fanny Hill', and compelling evidence that shows the existence of 'specialist' brothels in
    17C London, but can we really claim to be world beaters?

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    Looked twice to see if this was on topic, it is, so nobby, seriously, I have to say when i first met you, you were a lovely eager delightful chappie, Whats up with you man ?? Course we arent world beaters. we are bottom beaters.
    Lots of quotations in bible but common sense tells me not to quote any right here

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    They do it in the USA as we all know and BDSM is very big in Germany, I have seen some spanking going on in Thailand but that was UK expats with local girls. I've seen it in Spain, France, Greece and several other places but that was all UK expats as well! That is nothing but my personal experience but it does seem a very UK thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalome
    Looked twice to see if this was on topic, it is, so nobby, seriously, I have to say when i first met you, you were a lovely eager delightful chappie, Whats up with you man ?? Course we arent world beaters. we are bottom beaters.
    Lots of quotations in bible but common sense tells me not to quote any right here
    Shalome
    Still like to think of myself as eager and (possibly) delightful Shalome, but I'm trying to establish how a service-based economy like the UK's can boost its export quotas and reduce its current balance of trade deficit.

    Lauren seems to rienforce my view that there are potentai markets-just have to work out how we can export it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobby
    Still like to think of myself as eager and (possibly) delightful Shalome, but I'm trying to establish how a service-based economy like the UK's can boost its export quotas and reduce its current balance of trade deficit.
    Lauren seems to rienforce my view that there are potentai markets-just have to work out how we can export it...

    If you think you are on the right site and the right forum nobby, good luck to you and err lauren whoever she may be. Nobby dont forget the fun elements
    exiting from this thread rapidly

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    They make spanking movies where the models and Tops appear to be really into the scene in the US, Holland and in the Czech Republic. Other parts of Eastern Europe and Russia also produce spanking films but it is less clear that this is not just about the exploitation of poor girls for an English speaking market.

    I've travelled a fair bit in Africa and Asia but have never encountered a local familiarity with spanking as a fetish. But I know of many countries where men seek to be fairly brutal in casual sexual encounters - I mean with prostitutes and so on. I'm not trying to say that this is the same thing - it is obviously very different.

    Some would say that the spanking fetish thrives in places where spanking (which is, afterall, a fairly ritualised activity) is used for discipline. I am not sure that this is the case but others may have views or evidence to support it?

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    English vice ?

    ohhhh ...... I never thought of it as a vice !

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    Vice?

    Well, I know plenty of people who are gripped by spanking.
    Human Beings are very dangerous animals. They hunt in packs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalome
    Lots of quotations in bible but common sense tells me not to quote any right here
    Shalome
    I'm told it's a good book although I can't comment, not having read it myself. I have noticed that quite a few spankees seem to be relgious; at least a lot of them say things like "Oh Christ!" when they are spanked. I'm not a god-botherer myself, but I fully support your right to your own religion, so I don't see why you shouldn't quote from your scriptures if you feel so inclined.

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    VICE ! as in a vicelike grip ...... yeh have experience of that !!!

    Its very popular in Australia....... know 2 pro Dommes there in Sydney also a large group in Perth and understand from these folk its a popular pastime all over Aus. Theres also lots of bdsm over there too.

    Seems from one website I read there are a lot of aussie guys into "sissyfication" and "sissymaids" too. Is there much of that here in UK ?
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    Yes Zippy,
    You are quite correct, but then a lot of us evolved from the mother country. Although recent surveys for some area's suggest 60% of us were born elsewhere. No doubt a small amount from the UK but as a 7th generation Aussie I find it sad. Jeff.

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    Smile English & Proud Of It

    call it a vice or what ever you want.
    i for one enjoy it!!!!!!
    don't think we invented it but the victorians help put us on map in more ways than one.

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    Do the English lead the world when it comes to spanking and corporal punishment ? I'd like to think that we do, but I don't have much evidence to support that view.

    I imagine there are more spankos in America and Canada, reflecting their much larger population. By the same measure they will have more foot-fetishists and cross-dressers too. In other European countries I get the impression that BDSM is more popular than 'pure' spanking and corporal punishment. So I reckon we're ahead in terms of percentage of population into spanking, and that the English Vice is well named.

    -R
    What you need, young lady, is a damn good spanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjkk
    Yes Zippy,
    You are quite correct, but then a lot of us evolved from the mother country. Although recent surveys for some area's suggest 60% of us were born elsewhere. No doubt a small amount from the UK but as a 7th generation Aussie I find it sad. Jeff.
    Hi Jeff , Im probably being dappy, but what do you find sad? The small amount from the Uk or being 7th genertion Aussie. ? Im being thick here but not sure which you meant.

    One lady tells me her Aus clients( shes Aus for generations ).... travell from all over the country to visit her. Has all nationalities visit when they are in the beautiful country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobby
    Many on the continent refer to spanking and flagellation as 'the english vice'. There are of course early literary references such as those in 'Fanny Hill', and compelling evidence that shows the existence of 'specialist' brothels in
    17C London, but can we really claim to be world beaters?
    I think, too, that there is a social class implication here - old school ties queuing up to get in adulthood what nanny or the Headmaster used to give them. (See, more recently, the works of such as Simon Raven.)

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    Hi Zippy,
    The fact that 60% of us were born elsewhere. We are slowly but surely losing our identity

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    You mean...you've dropped the requirement that all incomers have criminal records? Disgraceful.

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    jjkk is losing his identity - but the native Australians lost their country...

    To return to the original Q the french are into it every bit as much as us Brits, but rather less furtively, hence 'The Story of O'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dindy View Post
    I think, too, that there is a social class implication here - old school ties queuing up to get in adulthood what nanny or the Headmaster used to give them. (See, more recently, the works of such as Simon Raven.)
    So as its good for many - should it be brought back in schools, homes?

    seems to be in the British genes (jeans) for Years then. x
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    from answers.com
    possibly one of many

    Probably around the late 19th to early 20th century. It most likely evolved from flogging and paddling, which were common punishments for slaves during the pre-Civil War era.

    Actually it's roots can be traced back to France in the early 19th. century. A theatrical producer friend researched the subject on a bet and found out the following.

    A wealthy french aristrocrat was dressing for an exclusive event and her maid who was attending her was brushing her hair and as it's told pulled on her mistres's hair too hard causing her great pain. The mistress who was seated on her vanity stool turned and grbbed the maid's hand holding the brush grabbing it away for mer attendant. He pulling on the maid's arm caused the maid to fall forward across her mistress's lap. Infuiated the mistress without thinking started hitting the maid with the hairbrush on her bottom and although not bare it caused the maid pain and she squeales and tried to get away. But her mistress finding where her servent had accidentally fallen convenient cause the girl further pain by continuing to spank with the hairbrush till she felt tht she had puished her errant servant properly. The story goes that the maid told other friends of hers and as well the mistress pleased with her new form of chastisement for her servent. Started putting the girl over her knee for spankings from then on. At least this was where over the knee or lap spankings were supposed to have originated.

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