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    Quote Originally Posted by J J Dick View Post
    Well, although I can't speak for her, I think the days of running round like a blue arsed fly at your behest are gone
    Alice made the claim so presumably it was based on some evidence which she already knows about so there shouldn't be any running around to do. I am just asking her to share that evidence.

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    zzzzzzzzzz

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    JJ - The poster who has still not provided evidence in respect of Ryanair has a pattern of demanding evidence from others but never supplying any themselves. They also seem to believe that if they ask a question they have a right to be answered. They don't. Perhaps they will do some actual research of their own, but I won't hold my breath.
    Alice

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    If you, and the Dick, can not find any evidence to back up your claim that...

    Quote Originally Posted by alice-in-oz View Post
    The Donald Trump tweets have a real effect in the real world and people suffer as a result.
    doesn't that make it fake news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAttitude View Post
    If you, and the Dick, can not find any evidence to back up your claim that...



    doesn't that make it fake news?
    Non sequitur hour, I see...

    Nice analysis of the current situation by the man what wrote the book

    http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017...-or-it-ll-brea

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    The Donald Trump tweets have a real effect in the real world and people suffer as a result
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    Well, you’d have to be fairly stupid or lacking in imagination not to realize that Trump’s retweets would cause real damage to real people.

    A ‘political party’ with an estimated 800-1000 supporters that is so inept that it was unable to register itself with the Electoral Commission and consequently is unable to identify its candidates on ballot paper is now known to those who were hitherto unaware of its existence.

    Thankfully, it appears to have negligible chance of electoral success. One candidate, Jayda Fransen received only 56 votes and lost her deposit in 2014. Whilst another, Paul Golding only got 1.2% of the vote when he stood to be London Mayor whilst Sadiq Khan got44%.

    This insignificant party has received world wide publicity and its name is now know to many who were ignorant of its existence thanks to Trump retweeting three videos. The fact that 43.7 million Trum followers people know its name will make it easier for those who share its obnoxious views to find it.

    Jaya Fransen acknowledge this when she tweeted: “Please Mr President, do it again!”

    The person who killed Jo Cox MP shouted 'Britian First’ when he killed her. Surely that is proof of harm

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    I am pretty sure Thomas Mair who is certified mad, killed Jo Cox before Trump retweeted.

    I am worried for for the safety of Trevor Phillips who, due to his well researched TV documentary on muslim social attitudes, has been nominated for 'Islamophobe of the Year' by the Islamic Human Rights Commission. They also nominated Charlie Hebdo the other year, then joked about none of them being available to collect the award.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10100317.html

    From The Times:
    The annual Islamophobia awards are “genuinely dangerous”, according to Trevor Phillips, the former equalities chief who is nominated for a controversial satirical award from the Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC).


    Other nominees for the Islamophobia awards, presented in a London ceremony tonight by the pressure group — which is authorised to take part in UN meetings — include Ofsted, the schools inspectorate, and Dame Louise Casey, the former integration tsar.


    Phillips said the label “painted a target on the back of people on the list”. He added: “Defining Louise or myself or anybody else as an Islamophobe is offering a licence to do us harm.


    “They will say that it is just verbal and political. They know that in this world right now this is not the way some other people see it. It really isn’t a joke. It is genuinely dangerous.These campaigns are all part of an attempt to intimidate public figures from saying anything at all about integration into our society,” he stressed.

    I agree with him, and think this is much more malevolent than Trump's oafish retweets. Je suis Charlie.

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    Yvonne said:
    I am pretty sure Thomas Mair who is certified mad, killed Jo Cox before Trump retweeted.
    Yes, and he was not a member, but nonetheless knew who they are. Fundamentally, I don’t disagree with you except to say that I think Trumps retweets reach a bigger audience so more know abut them

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    Well, the ‘good news’ continues as the ten person DUP take over the’ Brexit’ talks.
    Last edited by mortinuk; 05-12-2017 at 10:06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J J Dick View Post
    Non sequitur hour, I see...
    Not at all. Alice made a claim which was clearly fake as neither she nor you could find a shred of evidence to back it up. Don't say you never tried because it you could have backed it up we would never have heard the end of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mortinuk View Post
    This insignificant party has received world wide publicity and its name is now know to many who were ignorant of its existence thanks to Trump retweeting three videos. The fact that 43.7 million Trum followers people know its name will make it easier for those who share its obnoxious views to find it.
    It was the hysteria of the left wing media which gave this group so much publicity. Trump is the American president and in the UK no one who lives in the real world gives a fuck about what he tweets.

    How many of these 43.7 million Trump followers are in the UK?

    How many of his followers in the UK are actually Trump supporters?

    Storm in a tea cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mortinuk View Post
    Well, the ‘good news’ continues as the ten person DUP take over the’ Brexit’ talks.
    It's been hilarious. The media have gone monster and no one has a clue about what really happened because for once Merkel who wants trade talks to start and has has Juncker & Barnier under control.

    I pity Theresa may having to negotiate with the EU and the DUP. Neither are known for their flexibility or pragmatism.

    Funny how the Irish PM is now backing down saying Ireland has no role in the negotiations. Too late mate the DUP don't forgive or forget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yvonneUK View Post
    I am pretty sure Thomas Mair who is certified mad, killed Jo Cox before Trump retweeted.

    I am worried for for the safety of Trevor Phillips who, due to his well researched TV documentary on muslim social attitudes, has been nominated for 'Islamophobe of the Year' by the Islamic Human Rights Commission. They also nominated Charlie Hebdo the other year, then joked about none of them being available to collect the award.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10100317.html

    From The Times:
    The annual Islamophobia awards are “genuinely dangerous”, according to Trevor Phillips, the former equalities chief who is nominated for a controversial satirical award from the Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC).


    Other nominees for the Islamophobia awards, presented in a London ceremony tonight by the pressure group — which is authorised to take part in UN meetings — include Ofsted, the schools inspectorate, and Dame Louise Casey, the former integration tsar.


    Phillips said the label “painted a target on the back of people on the list”. He added: “Defining Louise or myself or anybody else as an Islamophobe is offering a licence to do us harm.


    “They will say that it is just verbal and political. They know that in this world right now this is not the way some other people see it. It really isn’t a joke. It is genuinely dangerous.These campaigns are all part of an attempt to intimidate public figures from saying anything at all about integration into our society,” he stressed.

    I agree with him, and think this is much more malevolent than Trump's oafish retweets. Je suis Charlie.

    If you go to their website you'll see Donald Trump won this year's award.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAttitude View Post
    Not at all. Alice made a claim which was clearly fake as neither she nor you could find a shred of evidence to back it up. Don't say you never tried because it you could have backed it up we would never have heard the end of it.
    Hand on heart BA -"Believe Me" as the Nazi-POTUS is so fond of saying - to reiterate I've never tried AND I WON'T BE TRYING.

    Anyway, to put the thread back on course after the unsavory Trump Alley it seems to have the misfortune to have wandered down, here's some more tory brexit gold, whoops, sorry, BA clickbait. The tories minority government are in contempt of parliament for not complying with the "Humble Address" proceedure, which is binding.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...impact-reports
    and the EU take on the negotiaitons failing
    "One EU ambassador told the Guardian the failure to reach a deal on Northern Ireland was a microcosm of a wider problem. “At root the problem is that [May] seems incapable of making a decision and is afraid of her own shadow,” the source said.
    “We cannot go on like this, with no idea what the UK wants. She just has to have the conversation with her own cabinet, and if that upsets someone, or someone resigns, so be it. She has to say what kind of trading relationship she is seeking. We cannot do it for her, and she cannot defer forever.”
    For weeks, European officials have walked a tightrope between sticking to the EU’s tough negotiating stance and seeking to avoid action or words that could destabilise the fragile May government.
    “We have to treat the UK political system like a rotten egg,” said one EU source in the run-up to Monday’s talks, suggesting that if “the realities of the world” dawned too soon, the British government could become more fragile.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...P=share_btn_tw


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    More faeces/fan impact
    https://twitter.com/SeemaMalhotra1/s...39658991374337
    Just wondering, BA, and I hope you don't mind me asking - do you see yourself as David Davis' intellectual superior, equal, or inferior?

    If anyone would like to refresh their memory of what exactly Davis said and when, a resume is here.

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    Tidy video put together by the Mirror of 7 times Davis blatantly lied about existence or content of impact assesments.
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...davis-11649452

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    A politician lies and you're surprised?

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    Leavers lied through out the campaign - so no surprise they continue to do so

    Ignore Davies and his, at best, prevarications, or lies if you prefer. The European Parliament has commissioned dozens of ‘impact assessments’ or studies on the effects of Brexit on the UK economy from experts, across a broad range of policy areas. The short ‘Executive Summary’ will give you the gist of the argument.

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/united...itstudies.html

    The UK and other EU members are required to provide copious amounts of information about the British economy to the EU. The argument that providing an ‘impact assessment’ on the British economy would damage negotiations is nonsense as the EU already possess the information to make their own assessment (see above, also)

    Other nations, for instance Holland have made ‘impact assessments’ on how Brexit will damage their own economy. Other nations provide this information to businesses as a matter of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mortinuk View Post
    Leavers lied through out the campaign - so no surprise they continue to do so

    Ignore Davies and his, at best, prevarications, or lies if you prefer. The European Parliament has commissioned dozens of ‘impact assessments’ or studies on the effects of Brexit on the UK economy from experts, across a broad range of policy areas. The short ‘Executive Summary’ will give you the gist of the argument.

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/united...itstudies.html

    The UK and other EU members are required to provide copious amounts of information about the British economy to the EU. The argument that providing an ‘impact assessment’ on the British economy would damage negotiations is nonsense as the EU already possess the information to make their own assessment (see above, also)

    Other nations, for instance Holland have made ‘impact assessments’ on how Brexit will damage their own economy. Other nations provide this information to businesses as a matter of course.
    The EU publishes a fact sheet called Transparency in EU trade negotiations

    In it it says;

    A certain level of confidentiality is necessary to protect EU interests and to keep chances for a satisfactory outcome high. When entering into a game, no-one starts by revealing his entire strategy to his counterpart from the outset: this is also the case for the EU.
    And yet the remoaners want the UK to show its hand. Anyone would think they wanted the UK to do badly.

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    REMAINERS have confessed that they are thoroughly enjoying the humiliating collapse of Brexit and cannot wait to see what happens next.

    Supporters of staying in the EU admitted they are glued to the headlines to find out what the arrogant Tory bastards’ latest shameful climbdown will be.
    Nathan Muir of Bristol said: “Last year it was really alienating and shit and not aimed at me at all, but I kept watching and the second year’s picked up incredibly. Just like Breaking Bad.
    “Every day there’s a new punch in the face for May or Davis or Johnson, but it’s all been so beautifully set up that even while it’s unexpected it’s completely plausible.
    “I didn’t think that moment when Arlene Foster went off in May’s face like a firework could be topped, but yesterday when Davis got trapped into admitting he hadn’t done any work whatsoever might have been even better.
    “I reckon within the month the government will collapse and Michael Gove will launch yet another disastrous leadership bid that’ll fall flat on its fish-lipped face, and that’s before they find out the EU’s going to fuck them over on trade deals.
    “This is the most I’ve enjoyed politics in years. Long live Brexit, I say.”

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politi...20171207140541

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAttitude View Post
    The EU publishes a fact sheet called Transparency in EU trade negotiations

    In it it says;



    And yet the remoaners want the UK to show its hand. Anyone would think they wanted the UK to do badly.
    I know a good cut and paste is the ne plus ultra for you BA, so here we go....just for you...

    BREXIT secretary David Davis has denied ever having heard the word ‘Brexit’ before and has asked somebody to explain it to him.

    Speaking to a Commons select committee, Davis said that it sounded like a made-up word, perhaps for a new kitchen device.
    He continued: “Leaving Europe? I hate to contradict you, but that’s a geographical impossibility.
    “Exiting the EU? Yes, that is the name of the department I represent, but it’s nothing as brutish as you imply. I think it’s meant to be ‘Exciting the EU’, but the ‘c’ fell off.
    “Michel Barnier was my pen-pal from school, that’s why we’re meeting so often. So much to catch up on. He really is marvellous company.
    “I’m sorry, I’m not familiar with the novels of Dan Brown, but Triggering Article 50 does sound like a good one. I must read it.”
    Davis added: “I am a principled politician concerned about the erosion of civil liberties, who you remember from 2008. There is no so-called ‘Brexit’. There never was.”


    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politi...20171207140497

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    Quote Originally Posted by J J Dick View Post
    I know a good cut and paste is the ne plus ultra for you BA, so here we go....just for you...

    BREXIT secretary David Davis has denied ever having heard the word ‘Brexit’ before and has asked somebody to explain it to him.

    Speaking to a Commons select committee, Davis said that it sounded like a made-up word, perhaps for a new kitchen device.
    He continued: “Leaving Europe? I hate to contradict you, but that’s a geographical impossibility.
    “Exiting the EU? Yes, that is the name of the department I represent, but it’s nothing as brutish as you imply. I think it’s meant to be ‘Exciting the EU’, but the ‘c’ fell off.
    “Michel Barnier was my pen-pal from school, that’s why we’re meeting so often. So much to catch up on. He really is marvellous company.
    “I’m sorry, I’m not familiar with the novels of Dan Brown, but Triggering Article 50 does sound like a good one. I must read it.”
    Davis added: “I am a principled politician concerned about the erosion of civil liberties, who you remember from 2008. There is no so-called ‘Brexit’. There never was.”


    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politi...20171207140497
    Didn't the Daily Mash have a book out called something like News for Halfwits? Did you enjoy it?

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    J J - I saw on the ABC News this morning that Prime Minister May suffered another defeat in the house and parliament will now have the final say over any deal.
    Alice

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    Quote Originally Posted by alice-in-oz View Post
    J J - I saw on the ABC News this morning that Prime Minister May suffered another defeat in the house and parliament will now have the final say over any deal.
    Lucky that negotiations are going so well so far

    http://images.newsstand.co.uk/i25660...E-_NO-1459.jpg

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    More click bait?
    According to Rand Corporation, a non-profit making American think tank

    "UK will be worse off under almost all Brexit scenarios, finds think tank"
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a8104921.html

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    An embarrassment of clickbait riches today...

    In the UK civil unrest could arise owing to food insecurity and growing intolerance, warns expert

    Civil unrest due to growing racial intolerance could potentially be one of the greatest threats to public health as a result of Brexit, the President of the Faculty of Public Health in the UK has suggested.
    Addressing the RCPI Faculty of Public Health Medicine Winter Scientific Meeting last week, on the public health implications of Brexit, Prof John Middleton was asked by IMT what he believed the biggest threat to public health would be in the wake of the UK’s departure from the European Union (EU).
    He said in the UK it would be food insecurity and growing intolerance.
    According to Prof Middleton, if the UK leaves the EU in March 2019 food prices would increase by 20 per cent overnight and there would be food shortages. He also warned about possible civil unrest due to racial intolerance, and said for example white supremacists were already the feature of more police investigations.
    “Civil unrest is a very real possibility,” he cautioned.
    Prof Middleton also noted that the language used around Brexit has become one of “divorce of the UK from the European Union”.
    He warned that the UK would also lose a number of important benefits it had gained as a direct result of being in the regional union. These included vital EU research funding and collaboration, scientific cooperation, the migrant health workforce and public health supports gained by working collectively with EU organisations such as the European Environment Agency and the European Centre for Disease Surveillance and Control (ECDC).
    “We have a situation where for the UK, it was a net beneficiary of research funds, but also it was extremely important for the networks of research. People were planning research four or five years ahead. It is not just about getting the money it is about who you talk to, who you want to partner with, and already we are seeing academics who are either moving to the EU or people who are being excluded from discussions or decisions,” Prof Middleton said.
    He gave an example of UK candidates being excluded from a European training programme on the basis that they would no longer be members of the EU by the time they would complete their training.
    The Faculty of Public Health in the UK published a report on the public health consequences of the UK’s membership of the EU ahead of the Brexit referendum last year which concluded that: “Remaining in the EU was the best option for everyone’s health and wellbeing, based on the best available evidence”.

    Irish Medical Times https://www.imt.ie/news/civil-unrest...it-14-12-2017/.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KPTN View Post
    Lucky that negotiations are going so well so far

    http://images.newsstand.co.uk/i2566001/Zoom/PRIVATE-EYE-_NO-1459.jpg


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    DAILY Mail editor Paul Dacre has confirmed he is very proud of himself for taking £460,000 from the EU while branding remain voters as traitors.


    Dacre, who demanded the subsidies for his Highland shooting estate and his Sussex farm, insisted he was not only very clever but incredibly noble.
    He added: “I am part of a proud British tradition of stupendously rich landowners helping themselves to public money that would otherwise be spent promoting homosexuality and multiculturalism.
    “Why would any sane person spend £460,000 on poofters and immigrants when it could be used help some very rich people have tremendous fun slaughtering thousands of animals on a Scottish moor?
    “To refuse that money would surely have been treason.”
    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/m...20171214141024

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    Another then to add to list of people 'the unacceptable face of capitalism'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J J Dick View Post
    An embarrassment of clickbait riches today...

    In the UK civil unrest could arise owing to food insecurity and growing intolerance, warns expert
    It's an industry. The traditional press is in its death throes and they will publish any bilge that any Remainiac comes up with because they know saps like yourself lap it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buxton_Bloke View Post
    Another then to add to list of people 'the unacceptable face of capitalism'.
    The Daily Mash is a spoof news site for half-wits. Checkout their book Halfwit Nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAttitude View Post
    The Daily Mash is a spoof news site for half-wits. Checkout their book Halfwit Nation.

    I'm going one better - I'm replying to a post by an inhabitant...

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    It is you who lives on the Daily Mash. It seems to be your main source of information which explains a lot.

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    In the seventies and early eighties, the Tories were far more pro EU than Labour, who saw it as a capitalist club and a way for rich people to get cheaper holidays in the south of France, which good old Labour voters weren't supposed to afford. Naturally, the Daily Mail, which has nearly always supported whatever Tory policy was at the time, in 1973 would have been in favour of joining the EU because the Tories were in favour. It was only when Maggie, near the end of her reign, turned against the EU that the Daily Mail developed the strongly anti EU tone it has now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Cumbrian View Post
    In the seventies and early eighties, the Tories were far more pro EU than Labour, who saw it as a capitalist club and a way for rich people to get cheaper holidays in the south of France, which good old Labour voters weren't supposed to afford. Naturally, the Daily Mail, which has nearly always supported whatever Tory policy was at the time, in 1973 would have been in favour of joining the EU because the Tories were in favour. It was only when Maggie, near the end of her reign, turned against the EU that the Daily Mail developed the strongly anti EU tone it has now.
    The "EU" wasn't formed until 1993.

    There was a vote in 1975 to join the Common Market, which I agree with, but nothing more. Trade deal is fine, but nothing more: No fiscal unity, no political unity...

    Nobody has had a say ("vote") on this for decades! There is more to it than financial and immigration policy, and that is "Sovereignty".

    The EU is effectively a protectionist trading bloc although we can trade through WTO rules instead.

    It is well documented that the union had to be accomplished "on the sly", as it were. Search it as I'm not too interested in this can of worms on what is supposed to be a spanking forum.

    In my time on here, c2013, I've seen loads of threads develop into arguments and these are the first thing that newcomers to the site see...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEUKSpanker View Post
    The "EU" wasn't formed until 1993.

    There was a vote in 1975 to join the Common Market, which I agree with, but nothing more. Trade deal is fine, but nothing more: No fiscal unity, no political unity...

    Nobody has had a say ("vote") on this for decades! There is more to it than financial and immigration policy, and that is "Sovereignty".

    The EU is effectively a protectionist trading bloc although we can trade through WTO rules instead.

    It is well documented that the union had to be accomplished "on the sly", as it were. Search it as I'm not too interested in this can of worms on what is supposed to be a spanking forum.

    In my time on here, c2013, I've seen loads of threads develop into arguments and these are the first thing that newcomers to the site see...
    Actually, I think we "joined" in 1973 but had a somewhat loaded referendum in 1975 as no-one. Not even some of the politicians of the time knew what they were signing.

    In essence, everything is getting signed away via salami-slicing. The rules get changed bit by bit.... Nobody notices, like a "boiling frog" .

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    With respect, that is rather inaccurate and does not really give a history of the EU. The facts are here;

    https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/history_en

    The UK made three attempts to join. The first in 1961, and subsequently in 1967. Both applications were blocked by French President, Charles de Gaulle. The third application, which succeeded, was made under then Prime Minister Edward Heath (Con.). The first application was made by Prime Minister Harold Macmillan (Con.) and the second by Prime Minister Harold Wilson (Lab.) The history of the UK with the EU is here;

    http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/factsheet-on-timeline/

    The UK joined the EU on 1st January 1973 along with Ireland and Denmark bringing the member states to nine. And by the way, the "boiling frog" is a myth.

    http://www.conservationmagazine.org/...ought-to-boil/

    As to the 'loaded' referendum of 1975 the question posed was "Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?" with a simple YES or NO answer. I cannot see how that was loaded.
    Alice

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    Quote Originally Posted by alice-in-oz View Post
    With respect, that is rather inaccurate......

    The UK joined the EU on 1st January 1973


    The UK joined the Common Market on 31st January 1973.

    The Common Market morphed into the European Union on 31st January 1993.

    Pesky facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAttitude View Post
    The UK joined the Common Market on 31st January 1973.

    The Common Market morphed into the European Union on 31st January 1993.

    Pesky facts.
    The pedant in me can't let this pass...

    "The 1973 enlargement of the European Communities was the first enlargement of the European Communities (EC), now the European Union (EU). Denmark, Ireland and the United Kingdom (UK) acceded to the EC on 1 January 1973."
    Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_e...an_Communities
    The Maastricht treaty was signed on 7 February 1992. It came into force on 1 November 1993.
    https://www.ecb.europa.eu/explainers...tricht.en.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by J J Dick View Post
    The pedant in me can't let this pass...

    "The 1973 enlargement of the European Communities was the first enlargement of the European Communities (EC), now the European Union (EU). Denmark, Ireland and the United Kingdom (UK) acceded to the EC on 1 January 1973."
    Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_e...an_Communities
    The Maastricht treaty was signed on 7 February 1992. It came into force on 1 November 1993.
    https://www.ecb.europa.eu/explainers...tricht.en.html

    J J - The previous poster to you, as usual, quotes a date with no supporting evidence. All the papers of the 1st Jan. 1973 carry that story, they are easily looked up online. Also, anyone of normal reading ability would know full well that when I referred to the EU, it's predecessor names are included as a given. Also I provided the links. Still, the poster in question would have us believe black is white and day is night and that he is any kind of socialist.
    Alice

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