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    Let's hope John Humphreys gets a well deserved DCM today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LondonLurker View Post
    Hmm, not really sure I see the point of that.

    If I want to ignore someone's messages, I'll just ignore them. I don't need the site to do it on my behalf.
    Some people have some strong opinions, beliefs, views but often they do not stand up to scrutiny. Announcing you are ignoring someone is a snowflake's way of acknowledging this.

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    I have never blocked anyone. I believe that we are all entitled to an opinion even if it is based on dogma and prejudice and not supported by evidence. Generally, in my experience those who are able to present cogent, coherent and logical arguments do so. Those who are unable to do so resort to pithy one liner comments.

    I believe that we all have areas of expertise, areas of special interest to us and that, consequently, we tend to be more knowledgeable and informed in these areas than people whose interest, knowledge and expertise lie in other areas. I suggest, further, that we can easily discern those who have different political leanings to our own those who have little, if any, knowledge. Alternative informed views are often interesting and illuminating; others may be ignored.

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    I follow what you mean and largely agree but I don’t entirely.

    When I post here about my views I will say I think ABc and you may well come to me and say well what about ZyX. You don’t normally come back and just entirely disagree with whatever I say. We have some form of discussion as we are trying to further undertand our respective views.

    I normally these days read the guardian the independent the Washington post and then Brieitbart. As i am a bottom fetishisist I look at the daily mail too so as to see lots of ladies sporting their derrières in tiny thongs but as it takes two days to get far enough down the dm website to find any political I don’t get too pissed off.

    I notice that on the guardian there are lot of comments. Sometimes abusive but not normally. The Washington post it equally civilised. The independent seems to have a load of US rascists full time on it. Maybe they are Russians who knows.

    If you want to see the evil side of human life and an opening into hell read the the comments on Breitbart. Sorry but it’s only 70 odd years since the German death camps.

    I easily fall out with people which is a problem but I think we all need to stand together and stop anything like that being on the cards again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mortinuk View Post
    I have never blocked anyone. I believe that we are all entitled to an opinion even if it is based on dogma and prejudice and not supported by evidence. Generally, in my experience those who are able to present cogent, coherent and logical arguments do so. Those who are unable to do so resort to pithy one liner comments.

    I believe that we all have areas of expertise, areas of special interest to us and that, consequently, we tend to be more knowledgeable and informed in these areas than people whose interest, knowledge and expertise lie in other areas. I suggest, further, that we can easily discern those who have different political leanings to our own those who have little, if any, knowledge. Alternative informed views are often interesting and illuminating; others may be ignored.
    I tend to doubt the views of experts. Knowing a lot about a particular subject does not mean you will have sound opinions or make good decisions. Just look at the parole board and the Justice Dept. There really is no substitute for common sense.

    On the subject of pithy one liners, They have their uses, I can't think of anything better at puncturing pomposity.

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    Bit like all those idiots in the Supreme Court and so on then BA. Partners in city law firms get paid 800 an hour these days.

    As JjDick has been nice To me I am extending kindness to you.
    . QUOTE=BadAttitude;1255774]I tend to doubt the views of experts. Knowing a lot about a particular subject does not mean you will have sound opinions or make good decisions. Just look at the parole board and the Justice Dept. There really is no substitute for common sense.

    On the subject of pithy one liners, They have their uses, I can't think of anything better at puncturing pomposity.[/QUOTE]

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    Chin chin to you as well mate.

    Yes letsnhave that second referendum

    clive Lewis back. Saddiq Khan is the best you could ever hope for Just the nicest most polite modest man. Labour could storm It if we just put our minds to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by J J Dick View Post
    I'm good with that.
    A glass tipped to you and best wishes for the New Year.
    I see Farage and Banks are saying they want a further referendum now. You couldn't make it up.

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    Thanks. I think well of Adonis decent man with his heart in the right place.

    Quote Originally Posted by J J Dick View Post
    His resignation letter was a stone cold masterpiece...odd that. Him being barking mad and a buffoon.

    Dear prime minister,
    The hardest thing in politics is to bring about lasting change for the better, and I believe in co-operation across parties to achieve it.
    In this spirit I was glad to accept reappointment last year as chair of the independent National Infrastructure Commission, when you also reaffirmed your support for HS2, which will help overcome England’s north-south divide when it opens in just eight years time. I would like to thank you for your courtesy in our personal dealings.
    The Commission has done good work in the past 27 months, thanks to dedicated public servants and commissioners. Sir John Armitt, my deputy chair, and Phil Graham, chief executive, have been brilliant throughout. I am particularly proud of our plans for equipping the UK with world-class 4G and 5G mobile systems; for Crossrail 2 in London and HS3 to link the Northern cities; and for transformational housing growth in the Oxford-Milton Keynes-Cambridge corridor.
    I hope these plans are implemented without delay. However, my work at the Commission has become increasingly clouded by disagreement with the government, and after much consideration I am writing to resign because of fundamental differences which simply cannot be bridged.
    The European Union withdrawal bill is the worst legislation of my lifetime. It arrives soon in the House of Lords and I feel duty bound to oppose it relentlessly from the Labour benches.
    Brexit is a populist and nationalist spasm worthy of Donald Trump. After the narrow referendum vote, a form of associate membership of the EU might have been attempted without rupturing Britain’s key trading and political alliances. Instead, by allying with Ukip and the Tory hard right to wrench Britain out of the key economic and political institutions of modern Europe, you are pursuing a course fraught with danger.
    Even within Ireland, there are set to be barriers between people and trade. If Brexit happens, taking us back into Europe will become the mission of our children’s generation, who will marvel at your acts of destruction.
    A responsible government would be leading the British people to stay in Europe while also tackling, with massive vigour, the social and economic problems within Britain which contributed to the Brexit vote. Unfortunately, your policy is the reverse.
    The government is hurtling towards the EU’s emergency exit with no credible plan for the future of British trade and European co-operation, all the while ignoring – beyond soundbites and inadequate programmes – the crises of housing, education, the NHS, and social and regional inequality which are undermining the fabric of our nation and feeding a populist surge.
    What Britain needs in 2018 is a radically reforming government in the tradition of Attlee, working tirelessly to eradicate social problems while strengthening Britain’s international alliances. This is a cause I have long advocated, and acted upon in government, and I intend to pursue it with all the energy I can muster.
    Britain must be deeply engaged, responsible and consistent as a European power. When in times past we have isolated ourselves from the continent in the name of “empire” or “sovereignty”, we were soon sucked back in. This will inevitably happen again, given our power, trade, democratic values and sheer geography. Putin and the rise of authoritarian nationalism in Poland and Hungry are flashing red lights. As Edmund Burke so wisely wrote, “People will not look forwards to posterity who do not look backwards to their ancestors.”
    However, I would have been obliged to resign from the Commission at this point anyway because of the transport secretary’s indefensible decision to bail out the Stagecoach/Virgin East Coast rail franchise. The bailout will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of pounds, possibly billions if other loss-making rail companies demand equal treatment. It benefits only the billionaire owners of these companies and their shareholders, while pushing rail fares still higher and threatening national infrastructure investment. It is even more inexcusable given the Brexit squeeze on public spending.
    The only rationale I can discern for the bailout is as a cynical political manoeuvre by Chris Grayling, a hard right Brexiteer, to avoid following my 2009 precedent when National Express defaulted on its obligations to the state for the same East Coast franchise because it too had overbid for the contract. I set up a successful public operator to take over East Coast services and banned National Express from bidding for new contracts. The same should have been done in this case. Yet, astonishingly, Stagecoach has not only been bailed out: it remains on the shortlist for the next three rail franchises.
    The East Coast affair will inevitably come under close scrutiny by the National Audit Office and the Public Accounts Committee, and I need to be free to set out serious public interest concerns. I hope the PAC calls Sir Richard Branson and Sir Brian Souter to give evidence. I am ready to share troubling evidence with the PAC and other parliamentary committees investigating the bailout.
    As you know, I raised these concerns with the chancellor and the transport secretary as soon as the bailout became apparent from the small print of an odd policy statement on 29 November majoring on reversing Beeching rail closures of the 1960s. I received no response from either Minister beyond inappropriate requests to desist.
    Brexit is causing a nervous breakdown across Whitehall and conduct unworthy of Her Majesty’s government. I am told, by those of longer experience, that it resembles Suez and the bitter industrial strife of the 1970s, both of which endangered not only national integrity but the authority of the state itself.
    You occupy one of the most powerful offices in the history of the world, the heir of Churchill, Attlee and Gladstone. Whatever our differences, I wish you well in guiding our national destiny at this critical time.
    Yours sincerely,
    Andrew Adonis

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    Of course we don't need experts.

    You don't need a mechanic. Fred over the road helped a mate do his car up once and he knows how to fix your car for you.

    You don't need a surveyor. Bert's mum bought a house 20 years ago and he can tell you all about subsidence and dry rot.

    You don't need an overpaid doctor, either. It's all on the internet now, isn't it?

    As for dentists - well, there's a bloke down the pub who'll knock your teeth out for free if you let him .....
    Democracy is for life; not just for a single referendum!

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    Good one.

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    I prefer Farage's description of Adonis as a 'twisting weasel'. He wants to block the democratic decision of a country that he is not even an elected representative of. Those who voted for Brexit, 17.4 million. Those that voted for Adonis to be in a position of power - zero. People like him bring shame to the name of democracy. Let's
    leave the EU and abolish the Lords.

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    At least he’s a real person. And a citizen of the country in question, to boot, which gives him a say.
    gastronomy (n): the study of Michelin stars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnum View Post
    Of course we don't need experts.

    You don't need a mechanic. Fred over the road helped a mate do his car up once and he knows how to fix your car for you.

    You don't need a surveyor. Bert's mum bought a house 20 years ago and he can tell you all about subsidence and dry rot.

    You don't need an overpaid doctor, either. It's all on the internet now, isn't it?

    As for dentists - well, there's a bloke down the pub who'll knock your teeth out for free if you let him .....
    If you read my post I said I tend to doubt the views of experts.

    All the experts you list are practical trades. These people work with their hands, they don't really have views.

    Try substituting Economist, Journalist, Politician & Philosopher in your list and it'd be a lot less funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgundy View Post
    Thanks. I think well of Adonis decent man with his heart in the right place.
    This unelected buffoon has saddled millions of students with massive debt before they have even started work. You might approve of that I very much doubt most people would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgundy View Post
    Bit like all those idiots in the Supreme Court and so on then BA. Partners in city law firms get paid 800 an hour these days.
    Yes I agree there are a lot of very well paid idiots standing before and sat on the benches. I doubt many of them are as clever as or earn as much a Wayne Rooney though.

    This is the 3rd time you have broken your promise to ignore me.

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    As I understand it, When British Industry led the world, only a tiny percentage went on to further education because only the rich could afford it. So kids went straight into productive industry at the peak of their learning ability. The advent of free education took us to the other extreme - the brightest kids creamed off to be trained in non-productive subjects the only jobs they might get would be teaching these non-productive subjects to others.
    The country cannot afford this.
    Student debt was an attempt to encourage people to learn only productive subjects there were paying jobs at the end of. Whats the alternative?
    At my fingertips I have a device that can access all the knowledge that mankind has amassed over the millennia.
    I use it to look at pictures of bottoms and have pointless arguments with complete strangers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therapist View Post
    The country cannot afford this.
    Other countries can and do but perhaps they don't pay their vice chancellors £471,000 a year

    The way universities have been allowed to exploit the youth of the nation is disgraceful. They have all got their noses in the trough.

    Adonis, Blair, Brown, Osborne, Clegg & Cameron should be ashamed of themselves.
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    Sorry sweetie

    i said I was obviously offering you some kindness as a New Years resolution. I will try for a month to put up with racist and fascist idiots and then ban them again

    all these buffoons who make partner at top law firms and run successful businesses. They must be really silly. Not like law and finance is a specialist area. Redwood and Rees-Mogg aren’t investing in Brexit because it will allow them to make more money will it? No they love poor people.

    I agree with you until 1 Feb. Then I suspect it will be banned again.

    sorry I don’t do dry January. More like let’s be nice to racists January.

    QUOTE=BadAttitude;1255811]Yes I agree there are a lot of very well paid idiots standing before and sat on the benches. I doubt many of them are as clever as or earn as much a Wayne Rooney though.

    This is the 3rd time you have broken your promise to ignore me.[/QUOTE]

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    Burgundy said:
    More like let’s be nice to racists January
    There is never a time to be nice to racists.

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    Sometimes you need to give them an armistice so they can come back to the table would be my point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgundy View Post
    Sorry sweetie

    i said I was obviously offering you some kindness as a New Years resolution. I will try for a month to put up with racist and fascist idiots and then ban them again

    all these buffoons who make partner at top law firms and run successful businesses. They must be really silly. Not like law and finance is a specialist area. Redwood and Rees-Mogg aren’t investing in Brexit because it will allow them to make more money will it? No they love poor people.

    I agree with you until 1 Feb. Then I suspect it will be banned again.

    sorry I don’t do dry January. More like let’s be nice to racists January.
    You really are a tit.

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    Thank you sweetie pie

    more of a bottom man myself.

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